Comments on: The Astrology of the Obama Oath Controversy: The True Inauguration Chart http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/ Where astrology and politics meet. Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:43:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: william http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-1538 william Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:02:08 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-1538 go with the first one mercury retrograde may have fudged it but this doesn't mean it's existence was wiped out!! it just means there was a merc retrograde then... he was still president tho'... (anyone doubt OBama has rightful presidency?) - no. go with the first one

mercury retrograde may have fudged it

but this doesn’t mean it’s existence was wiped out!!

it just means there was a merc retrograde then…

he was still president tho’…

(anyone doubt OBama has rightful presidency?)

- no.

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]]> By: Marilyn Muir http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-1413 Marilyn Muir Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:02:12 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-1413 I have just seen this article and the responses, several months after it had been written. I have to laugh because I said much the same in my book Presidents of Hope and Change, an astrologically based study of the 10 presidents of hope and change, four in particular, but written non-technically for the general public. My compliments to you all. The law is specific on the passage of power. Noon. The personal part of it (required) is the moment of the oath itself. Chief Justice Roberts fumbled the words. President Obama tried to say them in the correct order. (He was already president). The second oath was a legal "just in case". One thing that was not bought up in your discussion. The 29˚ Scorpio Moon fit both Obama's and Biden's charts (Biden was sworn in before noon which is traditional). The passage of power by law is still noon. Biden's was before noon, Obama's after noon. Power passed for both at noon. While I do believe in Void of Course when the choice can be made, no choice was possible under the law. If the VOC Moon is reflected in the natal chart(s), it is a valid Moon. For more of my thoughts on the oath-taking, please take a look at the free material available for astrologer (and non-astrologers) on my website PresidentsofHopeandChange.com Marilyn Muir, author I have just seen this article and the responses, several months after it had been written. I have to laugh because I said much the same in my book Presidents of Hope and Change, an astrologically based study of the 10 presidents of hope and change, four in particular, but written non-technically for the general public. My compliments to you all. The law is specific on the passage of power. Noon. The personal part of it (required) is the moment of the oath itself. Chief Justice Roberts fumbled the words. President Obama tried to say them in the correct order. (He was already president). The second oath was a legal “just in case”. One thing that was not bought up in your discussion. The 29˚ Scorpio Moon fit both Obama’s and Biden’s charts (Biden was sworn in before noon which is traditional). The passage of power by law is still noon. Biden’s was before noon, Obama’s after noon. Power passed for both at noon. While I do believe in Void of Course when the choice can be made, no choice was possible under the law. If the VOC Moon is reflected in the natal chart(s), it is a valid Moon. For more of my thoughts on the oath-taking, please take a look at the free material available for astrologer (and non-astrologers) on my website PresidentsofHopeandChange.com Marilyn Muir, author

]]> By: Patrick Watson http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-266 Patrick Watson Thu, 28 May 2009 05:01:15 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-266 Well Chris edited and had input, but unfortunately Wordpress doesn't have an option (yet) to give credit to multiple writers for a particular entry. But thanks! Well Chris edited and had input, but unfortunately Wordpress doesn’t have an option (yet) to give credit to multiple writers for a particular entry. But thanks!

]]> By: Diana Brownstone http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Diana Brownstone Thu, 28 May 2009 04:57:01 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-265 Because Obama chose to do a second swearing in ceremony, it doesn't nullify the first one from having happened. It also doesn't make the second chart take precedence. The second chart signifies Obama's desire to say the words right, and avoid legal controversy.. and that's what the chart looks like. Legally he was president when he was sowrn in at noon, so that is the inauguration chart. Now that Mercury is retrograde, time to 'fix' my prior post and give recognition to the correct author, Patrick (!) of the article. Well-done. Because Obama chose to do a second swearing in ceremony, it doesn’t nullify the first one from having happened. It also doesn’t make the second chart take precedence. The second chart signifies Obama’s desire to say the words right, and avoid legal controversy.. and that’s what the chart looks like. Legally he was president when he was sowrn in at noon, so that is the inauguration chart. Now that Mercury is retrograde, time to ‘fix’ my prior post and give recognition to the correct author, Patrick (!) of the article. Well-done.

]]> By: Patrick Watson http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-261 Patrick Watson Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:43 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-261 That point has already been addressed in the article. That point has already been addressed in the article.

]]> By: Peter Burns http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Peter Burns Wed, 27 May 2009 11:31:36 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-259 The fact that the second chart is viewed by some as "much more inauspicious" does not invalidate it. The chart is what it is and we cannot say that a chart is invalid because we do not like it or because it does not conform to our expectations. Obama decided that it was necessary to go through the swearing in oath ceremony a second time in order to validate his presidency, so that is the chart that we must use. If the ascendant ruler Mercury is retrograde then we can only interpret that for what it is - much of his work will be retrospective and a necessary revision/correction of past errors. The fact that the second chart is viewed by some as “much more inauspicious” does not invalidate it. The chart is what it is and we cannot say that a chart is invalid because we do not like it or because it does not conform to our expectations.
Obama decided that it was necessary to go through the swearing in oath ceremony a second time in order to validate his presidency, so that is the chart that we must use. If the ascendant ruler Mercury is retrograde then we can only interpret that for what it is – much of his work will be retrospective and a necessary revision/correction of past errors.

]]> By: V K Shridhar http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-47 V K Shridhar Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:34:55 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-47 A blog titled “ Inauspicious time of oath by the next us president” was written on July 27, 2008 For details please log on to http://hinduelectionalastrology-shridhar.blogspot.com/ The wherein it was observed that “the next US President shall take oath on 20th January, 2009 – which is observed as inauspicious time as per Vedic / Indian system of electional (Muhurt) astrology. Discussion herein is based on Indian system (Nirayana - Sidereal system) of astrology.” It was especially pointed out that retrograde & combust Mercury certainly indicates adverse effects. Now it is evident from the fumble in the oath ceremony itself. … V K Shridhar A blog titled “ Inauspicious time of oath by the next us president” was written on July 27, 2008
For details please log on to

http://hinduelectionalastrology-shridhar.blogspot.com/

The wherein it was observed that “the next US President shall take oath on 20th January, 2009 – which is observed as inauspicious time as per Vedic / Indian system of electional (Muhurt) astrology. Discussion herein is based on Indian system (Nirayana – Sidereal system) of astrology.”

It was especially pointed out that retrograde & combust Mercury certainly indicates adverse effects. Now it is evident from the fumble in the oath ceremony itself.

… V K Shridhar

]]> By: Patrick Watson http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Patrick Watson Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:53:02 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-45 Mark, McCain would have had the same election for the inauguration if he were elected. But he was not elected. And in fact that is a way it could possibly be predicted who would win, by who has the kind of transits that day for officially assuming the Presidency. Basically the way I see it, Obama was meant to win the election, and McCain was not. Your view of electional is a little narrow. There are many inceptional charts where we know the particular event has a predetermined beginning and ending. Like taking a final exam, it is scheduled to begin, and it ends at a certain time. There may not be much choice involved about when it is scheduled, simply where and when it can fit in with other final exams going on. If two different nations had their inaugurations at the exact same time they would likely still have different charts, because of any distance between them. That could alter the degrees of the horizon and the meridian between the two charts. And if you happened to have two capitals (the likely place of inauguration) which were in the same time zone and close to each other, and they had their inaugurations at the same time, and the charts were very similar, then I would imagine their fates are very likely parallel to each other, and similar. I mean they would have to be, on the basic premise of astrology. This is just like the question of the astrology of twins, what can account for their differences. But what we tend to forget is already how similar they are. Don't twins usually live in the same house? Same room? Same clothes? Same school? Same friends? Same mealtime? Etc. Thanks for reading. Mark,

McCain would have had the same election for the inauguration if he were elected. But he was not elected. And in fact that is a way it could possibly be predicted who would win, by who has the kind of transits that day for officially assuming the Presidency. Basically the way I see it, Obama was meant to win the election, and McCain was not.

Your view of electional is a little narrow. There are many inceptional charts where we know the particular event has a predetermined beginning and ending. Like taking a final exam, it is scheduled to begin, and it ends at a certain time. There may not be much choice involved about when it is scheduled, simply where and when it can fit in with other final exams going on.

If two different nations had their inaugurations at the exact same time they would likely still have different charts, because of any distance between them. That could alter the degrees of the horizon and the meridian between the two charts. And if you happened to have two capitals (the likely place of inauguration) which were in the same time zone and close to each other, and they had their inaugurations at the same time, and the charts were very similar, then I would imagine their fates are very likely parallel to each other, and similar. I mean they would have to be, on the basic premise of astrology. This is just like the question of the astrology of twins, what can account for their differences. But what we tend to forget is already how similar they are. Don’t twins usually live in the same house? Same room? Same clothes? Same school? Same friends? Same mealtime? Etc.

Thanks for reading.

]]> By: Obama oath… again ? » AstroDispatch.com » Astrology Around The Web http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/01/23/the-astrology-of-the-obama-oath-controversy-the-true-inauguration-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Obama oath… again ? » AstroDispatch.com » Astrology Around The Web Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:25:07 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=513#comment-43 [...] thing that is spectacular, is that instead of reflecting about what is the real time of the inauguration, astrologers are commenting things like “nothing can happen during an void of course moon”, and [...] [...] thing that is spectacular, is that instead of reflecting about what is the real time of the inauguration, astrologers are commenting things like “nothing can happen during an void of course moon”, and [...]

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