Comments on: An Astrological History of the Pursuit of Universal Healthcare: Part II http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/ Where astrology and politics meet. Wed, 14 Jul 2010 05:04:05 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Patrick Watson http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-3910 Patrick Watson Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:12:19 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-3910 Yeah I've been thinking about this a lot. The obvious answer is that determining the success of an effort cannot be determined due to one astrological factor, as the placement of Saturn was for my observations. Most of the work for healthcare reform did take place while Saturn was in Virgo though, including nearly the entirety of the 2008 primaries and presidential race, in which healthcare was a big issue, as well as most of 2009 which featured the initial stumbles on the bill and the first healthcare protests. As I noted in the article, the placement of Saturn does not guarantee the success of an effort, it just indicates that there will be an attempt. Besides, we may have a bill but the story of healthcare reform is far from over. Saturn still has some unfinished business in Virgo to take care of. And we shouldn't overlook historical parallels from other Saturn in Libra periods. It's interesting to me that Obama has been simultaneously compared to Jimmy Carter as a weak ineffectual idealistic liberal, as well as to Reagan, a new forceful and consequential standardbearer for his ideology. Interesting, because that was the last shift Saturn made from Virgo to Libra. Saturn in Libra, interestingly enough, is the sign of its exaltation. While Saturn was in Virgo, progress with the healthcare bill was hard to come by, but under Saturn in Libra, finally a bill of some consequence passed. Similarly Jimmy Carter was defeated by Reagan in the 1980 election just a short while after Saturn ingressed into Libra, and it was perceived that someone of consequence replaced someone ineffectual, only this time it was Bush and McCain that was cast as the ineffectual, and Obama the person of consequence. But what can I say. I was inaccurate. A bill was passed 2 weeks before Saturn regresses back into Virgo. So, I was 2 weeks off. Just let this be a lesson to everybody! Yeah I’ve been thinking about this a lot. The obvious answer is that determining the success of an effort cannot be determined due to one astrological factor, as the placement of Saturn was for my observations. Most of the work for healthcare reform did take place while Saturn was in Virgo though, including nearly the entirety of the 2008 primaries and presidential race, in which healthcare was a big issue, as well as most of 2009 which featured the initial stumbles on the bill and the first healthcare protests. As I noted in the article, the placement of Saturn does not guarantee the success of an effort, it just indicates that there will be an attempt. Besides, we may have a bill but the story of healthcare reform is far from over. Saturn still has some unfinished business in Virgo to take care of.

And we shouldn’t overlook historical parallels from other Saturn in Libra periods. It’s interesting to me that Obama has been simultaneously compared to Jimmy Carter as a weak ineffectual idealistic liberal, as well as to Reagan, a new forceful and consequential standardbearer for his ideology. Interesting, because that was the last shift Saturn made from Virgo to Libra. Saturn in Libra, interestingly enough, is the sign of its exaltation. While Saturn was in Virgo, progress with the healthcare bill was hard to come by, but under Saturn in Libra, finally a bill of some consequence passed. Similarly Jimmy Carter was defeated by Reagan in the 1980 election just a short while after Saturn ingressed into Libra, and it was perceived that someone of consequence replaced someone ineffectual, only this time it was Bush and McCain that was cast as the ineffectual, and Obama the person of consequence.

But what can I say. I was inaccurate. A bill was passed 2 weeks before Saturn regresses back into Virgo. So, I was 2 weeks off. Just let this be a lesson to everybody!

]]> By: Lorenzo http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-3906 Lorenzo Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:35:45 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-3906 Very interesting that the major outer (non-Hellenistic) planets are mentioned. However I would counsel that you look at the chart of the inauguration of POTUS-44 (20 Jan 2009 12h00 WDC) rather than the personal chart of Obama. The chart for the 111th Congress would also be useful of course. The bill was passed the other day and will be signed today (23.03-2010). You stated and predicted: "I predict that he will make the most progress on the bill while Mercury is retrograde, and while Saturn is in Virgo, which limits a potential bill to appear in September-October 2009 or April-May 2010." Why was your prediction wrong? What methodological flaws do you see in it? What analytical misconceptions? feliciter. Very interesting that the major outer (non-Hellenistic) planets are mentioned. However I would counsel that you look at the chart of the inauguration of POTUS-44 (20 Jan 2009 12h00 WDC) rather than the personal chart of Obama. The chart for the 111th Congress would also be useful of course.
The bill was passed the other day and will be signed today (23.03-2010).

You stated and predicted:
“I predict that he will make the most progress on the bill while Mercury is retrograde, and while Saturn is in Virgo, which limits a potential bill to appear in September-October 2009 or April-May 2010.”

Why was your prediction wrong? What methodological flaws do you see in it? What analytical misconceptions?

feliciter.

]]> By: spiri2al.com http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 spiri2al.com Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:53:06 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1303 <strong>An Astrological History of the Pursuit of Universal Healthcare: Part II ...</strong> Before reading this article I would strongly advise you to read Part I if you haven’t already. There I discussed how Saturn in Pisces and Virgo periods marked various attempts at liberal reform, all of which hinted in the direction of universal healt... An Astrological History of the Pursuit of Universal Healthcare: Part II …

Before reading this article I would strongly advise you to read Part I if you haven’t already. There I discussed how Saturn in Pisces and Virgo periods marked various attempts at liberal reform, all of which hinted in the direction of universal healt…

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]]> By: Funkstar http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1124 Funkstar Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:54:43 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1124 Yes, there is more to this than just Saturn, though it does seem to be a very important player in this debate. Saturn was opposite Uranus Pluto when Medicare was formed. Now opposite Uranus but square Pluto when this system is trying to be overhauled. Conservative against Liberal debating the transformation. Obama, with Saturn quincunx Uranus as his tightest aspect, is lumped with trying to rebalance the inequities in the system. Yes, there is more to this than just Saturn, though it does seem to be a very important player in this debate. Saturn was opposite Uranus Pluto when Medicare was formed. Now opposite Uranus but square Pluto when this system is trying to be overhauled. Conservative against Liberal debating the transformation.

Obama, with Saturn quincunx Uranus as his tightest aspect, is lumped with trying to rebalance the inequities in the system.

]]> By: astroluxx.com http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1115 astroluxx.com Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:56:39 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1115 <strong>An Astrological History of the Pursuit of Universal Healthcare: Part II « The Political Astrology Blog...</strong> Part two of this excellent blog series on the astro-chronology of the history of the pursuit of universal healthcare in the U.S. by Patrick Watson... An Astrological History of the Pursuit of Universal Healthcare: Part II « The Political Astrology Blog…

Part two of this excellent blog series on the astro-chronology of the history of the pursuit of universal healthcare in the U.S. by Patrick Watson…

]]> By: Patrick Watson http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1077 Patrick Watson Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:05:13 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1077 There is a lot more than just Saturn going on, I could have more to write about. There is a lot more than just Saturn going on, I could have more to write about.

]]> By: Gary P Caton http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1074 Gary P Caton Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:20:38 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1074 Yeah, Pluto was conjunct Uranus the last time around and square the two this time... Hey Lookit, The nocturnal planets represent the "opposition party" -in this case the Republicans -Mercury's sect depends upon him being oriental or occidental -since he has been occidental then the press has been on the side of the opposition party! (covering all the stupid protests and their lies) Soon he will be reborn as morning star -as well as Saturn -this is the return of the King! Mercury then hovers between Saturn and Venus before reporting back to Saturn in October -then the King (Saturn) goes on to meet with Venus -this could literally represent the two opposing parties coming together and/or the King (obama) meeting with figures from the international opposition (he's trying to broker a peace deal between israel and palestine) Yeah, Pluto was conjunct Uranus the last time around and square the two this time…

Hey Lookit, The nocturnal planets represent the “opposition party” -in this case the Republicans -Mercury’s sect depends upon him being oriental or occidental -since he has been occidental then the press has been on the side of the opposition party! (covering all the stupid protests and their lies)

Soon he will be reborn as morning star -as well as Saturn -this is the return of the King! Mercury then hovers between Saturn and Venus before reporting back to Saturn in October -then the King (Saturn) goes on to meet with Venus -this could literally represent the two opposing parties coming together and/or the King (obama) meeting with figures from the international opposition (he’s trying to broker a peace deal between israel and palestine)

]]> By: Funkstar http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1068 Funkstar Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:34:51 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1068 Now it's coming together. What stands out for me is the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Have you investigated the cureent series of Saturn Uranus oppositions in comparison to those of the mid sixties? Also worth considering is how Pluto aspected the oppsitions back then as compared to now. Now it’s coming together. What stands out for me is the creation of
Medicare and Medicaid. Have you investigated the cureent series of Saturn Uranus oppositions in comparison to those of the mid sixties? Also worth considering is how Pluto aspected the oppsitions back then as compared to now.

]]> By: Gary P Caton http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/09/01/an-astrological-history-of-the-pursuit-of-universal-healthcare-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1067 Gary P Caton Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:44:33 +0000 http://politicalastrologyblog.com/?p=832#comment-1067 Good job, roomie! There is still time -8 months of it. Mercury is making his inferior conjunction Sep 20 exactly in the same degree of Virgo (27+) where Saturn will station direct in the spring (May 29)...perhaps these two dates will book-end the Obama comeback. Never underestimate the staying power of a fixed Ascendant! (Clinton was cardinal air) Obama had to have known this was coming -and yet only now is he unleashing his organizational skills (i just got a call today form organizing america). Perhaps he is playing rope a dope (a la Ali with Frazier) and allowing them to spend their steam (Ali was fixed fire asc)... What more demoralizing defeat for an enemy than to have fought their best and still be defeated? A quick victory only invites repeated attacks from an enemy who still has energy -a long drawn out victory demoralizes and de-stabilizes the opposition and perhaps ensures its longetivity. Good job, roomie! There is still time -8 months of it. Mercury is making his inferior conjunction Sep 20 exactly in the same degree of Virgo (27+) where Saturn will station direct in the spring (May 29)…perhaps these two dates will book-end the Obama comeback.

Never underestimate the staying power of a fixed Ascendant! (Clinton was cardinal air) Obama had to have known this was coming -and yet only now is he unleashing his organizational skills (i just got a call today form organizing america).

Perhaps he is playing rope a dope (a la Ali with Frazier) and allowing them to spend their steam (Ali was fixed fire asc)… What more demoralizing defeat for an enemy than to have fought their best and still be defeated? A quick victory only invites repeated attacks from an enemy who still has energy -a long drawn out victory demoralizes and de-stabilizes the opposition and perhaps ensures its longetivity.

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