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The 2012 Conventions: Horoscope Comparison

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2012 DNC and RNCThe 2012 Republican and Democratic National Conventions are over, and we now have the exact times for when each candidate officially accepted their party’s nomination.

In this article we would like to present our analysis of the horoscopes or inception charts that we gathered over the past two weeks from each of the conventions, especially the charts for when each candidate officially accepted their party’s nomination.

We will also analyze some of the other charts associated with the conventions, to see how each convention compares to the other from an astrological perspective.

Most of the data for this article was first collected in our previous articles on the astrology of the Republican National Convention and our live-blog series on the Democratic National Convention.

The Inception Charts for the Conventions


RNC inception chart The Republican National Convention officially began on Monday, August 27, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. EDT in Tampa, Florida.  See the chart to the right.

The convention was delayed by Hurricane Isaac, and they didn’t start having any speeches until Tuesday, August 28.  However, the organizers took the unusual step of still opening the convention at the originally scheduled time on August 27, and then immediately taking a recess until the following day.

The inception chart itself was pretty good from the standpoint of electional astrology, at least considering what was available in late August.

The chart has Sagittarius rising, with Jupiter, the ruler of the ascendant, in Gemini in the 7th house.  It isn’t terribly strong in Gemini, but it isn’t afflicted by either of the malefics, and it is configured by sextile to its domicile lord.

The Moon is in Capricorn in the 2nd, and it is applying to an opposition with Venus in the 8th, with reception.  The Moon is also applying to a square with Saturn, although this is mitigated by the presence of reception, and the fact that it is a day chart, which makes Saturn considerably less malefic.  The most difficult planet in the chart is Mars, but it is kind of sequestered away in the 12th house, where it isn’t really afflicting any other planets.   All in all it is a pretty well-rounded chart.


DNC inception chart The Democratic National Convention officially started on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 at exactly 5:00 p.m. EDT in Charlotte, North Carolina.  See the chart to the right.

The chart was very auspicious from the standpoint of the two primary rules of electional astrology, which are that you always try to make sure that the ruler of the ascendant and the Moon are well-placed in the chart.

In the DNC chart Capricorn was rising, and the ruler, Saturn, is exalted in Libra in the 10th whole sign house, in a day chart, in aversion to Mars, and with favorable configurations to Venus and Jupiter, which are both in a superior position.  This is actually just about as well-placed as you can make Saturn according to the rules of traditional astrology, and because it rules the ascendant, it is the primary planet in the chart that represents the convention itself.

The other major planet to pay attention to in the chart is the Moon, which is also in the sign of its exaltation, Taurus, and placed in the 5th house.  With Venus in Cancer, this puts the Moon and Venus in a mutual reception because they’ve exchanged signs, which gives the Moon additional strength.

One major negative point though is that the Moon is applying to an opposition with Mars, which is generally something that you would really want to avoid since this is a day chart, and thus Mars is the most difficult planet.  There are a couple of mitigations though:  the first is that both the Moon and Mars are dignified by sign, which according to some ancient astrologers takes the edge off of difficult configurations.

The second is that the Moon is also applying to a trine with Mercury, and what ended up happening is that the Moon completed the trine with Mercury and the opposition with Mars at the exact same time, around 4:08 a.m ET on September 5.  In this way both a very difficult and a very positive configuration completed at the time time, and it is possible that Mercury interfered with what would otherwise have been a much more difficult placement in the chart.

Conclusion Regarding the Comparison of the Convention Horoscopes

Ultimately I have to give the award to the DNC here for the better inception chart for their convention.  Although the RNC chart has the virtue of not having the Moon closely applying to a hard aspect with a malefic, the DNC chart has a much stronger ruler of the ascendant.  And even the Moon itself in the DNC chart, although applying to Mars, is far more dignified than the RNC Moon, being both exalted and in a mutual reception with Venus.

There are a few other points that could be mentioned here, such as the different positions of Mercury, the location of the MC, or the placement of the Lot of Fortune, although most of these tend to favor the DNC chart as well, so I will gloss over them here.

Official Candidate Nominations and Delegate Roll Call

Each presidential candidate has to be nominated by someone from within the party at the convention, and then the delegates do a Roll Call and cast their votes for the nominee(s).  Once the nominee gets a certain number of votes from the delegates, they become the official nominee of their party.  We have the charts for both the nominations and the moment when each candidate got enough votes from the delegates to officially become the nominee for their party.

Romney – Nomination and Roll Call

John Sununu nominates RomneyMitt Romney was nominated by former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 at exactly 5:00 p.m. EDT in Tampa, just before the roll call began.

The chart has Capricorn rising, with Saturn exalted in Libra in the 10th in a day chart.  Very similar to the nice DNC inception chart.  The downside is that the Moon is in early Aquarius, and it is closely applying to a square with Mars, which is the most malefic planet in the chart since this is a day chart.

One commenter suggested that putting Mars on the MC might have been deliberate, although I think that this would have been a mistake if it were true, because even though Mars is dignified in Scorpio, this doesn’t negate the fact that it is contrary to the sect.

Romney goes "over the top", nominated by delegatesThe roll call took place immediately after the nomination, and at exactly 5:40 p.m. EDT Romney went “over the top” and got the necessary number of delegate votes to officially secure the Republican nomination.

The chart is virtually identical to the chart for when Sununu nominated Romney 40 minutes earlier, although I will still post it to the right for the sake of completeness.

The only difference is that Mars is no longer right on the MC, and now the ascendant is closely square Saturn.

Obama – Nomination and Roll Call

Clinton nominates ObamaBarack Obama was nominated for a second term as President by Bill Clinton at the beginning of his speech, at exactly 10:37 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, September 5, 2012 in Charlotte.

The chart has Taurus rising, with Venus at 29 Cancer in the 3rd house, in a mutual reception with the Moon, which is exalted in Taurus in the 1st.

The Moon’s next aspect is to Venus, who moves into Leo before the Moon catches up with her, which technically makes the Moon void of course according to the modern definition.

Note that Venus is in a square with Saturn, although it is separating.  We will come back to this later.

Delegates put Obama over the top, becomes party nomineeThe delegate roll call began shortly after Clinton’s speech ended at 11:23 p.m.  Eventually Obama got the 2778 votes needed to put him “over the top” at exactly 12:09 a.m. EDT, which officially made him the nominee of the Democratic party.

At the exact moment Obama officially became the nominee Jupiter was rising right over the degree of the ascendant in Charlotte.  The ruler of the ascendant, Mercury, was exalted in Virgo in the 4th house, applying to a square with Jupiter.

The Moon is not very well placed in the 12th, although it is still exalted and in a mutual reception with Venus, although void according to the modern definition.

Conclusions About the Nominations and Roll Calls

I think that the most important chart out of all of these is the one set for when the roll call put each of the candidates over the top, because this is the moment that they officially secured their party’s nomination to be the president.

It is striking that in both charts the ruler of the ascendant is in the sign of its exaltation, and in that sense both of them look pretty equally auspicious.

The shortcoming in both seems to be with the Moon placement.  Romney has the Moon applying to a square with a contrary to the sect Mars, and Obama has the Moon in the 12th, void, and applying to an out of sign sextile with Venus.  I could see different astrologers arguing that either one of these placements is worse than the other, insomuch as a void Moon theoretically means that what is initiated at the time comes to nothing, whereas the application of the Moon to a malefic indicates that the outcome is more actively negative.

In my own personal opinion I am not terribly concerned about the void of course Moon acting as an inhibiting factor in Obama’s nomination chart, for reasons that I outlined on day 3 of the DNC live blog.  That, combined with Jupiter on the ascendant in the chart, as well as the Moon’s application to Mars in Romney’s nomination chart, leads me to give this one to Obama.

Keynote Speeches and the Ruler of the Ascendant

Many of the most important speeches during both conventions took place between 10:00 and 11:00 p.m. eastern time, because this is when all of the major news networks gave each of the conventions one hour of coverage to showcase their speakers.  As a result of this, and as a result of both conventions taking place on the East Coast, the majority of the most important speeches that took place during the course of the conventions began with Taurus rising.  This resulted in some really striking astrological indications, which I will outline below.

First, I need to emphasize two important rules when looking at electional and inceptional charts:

  1. Applying aspects indicate the future, while separating aspects indicate the past.
  2. The planet that rules the ascendant is the primary planet in the chart that represents the one who initiated the action.

These two rules are important, because they provide us with our primary guidelines for objectively interpreting the following charts.

The RNC – Venus in Late Cancer, Applying to Square to Saturn

Chris Christie's RNC speech begins

Chris Christie

Chris Christie gave his keynote speech on Tuesday, August 28, 2012, beginning at exactly 10:35 p.m. EDT.  His was the main speech on the first night of the convention, although he was preceded by Ann Romney, who began at 10:10 p.m. with Aries rising. Their speeches were originally supposed to be on separate nights, although they were put together due to the delay of the first day of the convention.

When Christie began the ascendant was at 2 degrees of Taurus, and Venus, the ruler of the ascendant, was at 20 Cancer, applying to a square with Saturn at 25 Libra.

Paul Ryan's RNC speech begins

Paul Ryan

The next night, on August 29, the main speech was by Paul Ryan, the vice presidential candidate. He began at exactly 10:27 p.m. EDT.

Ryan’s speech also began with early Taurus rising, now with Venus at 22 Cancer, making it a bit closer to the square with Saturn at 26 Libra.

The only other major difference is the Moon, which is now at 18 Aquarius, separating from Jupiter and applying to an opposition with Mercury.

Essentially it is the same chart though, with Taurus rising and Venus in Cancer, applying to Saturn.

Romney begins speech, accepts nomination

Mitt Romney

On the final night of the convention, on Thursday, August 30, Mitt Romney began his speech and promptly accepted the nomination to be the Republican candidate for president at 10:36 p.m. EDT.

Again early Taurus was rising, and the ruler, Venus, was at 23 Cancer, applying to a square with Saturn at 26 Libra within 3 degrees.

The Moon had moved into Pisces, and it was separating from a conjunction with Neptune and applying to a trine with Mars in the 7th.

The problem here is that the ruler of the ascendant is applying to a difficult aspect with the most difficult planet in the chart, which is Saturn because this is a night chart. In the simplest terms this means that difficult things are developing in the future for the one who initiated the action at that time (i.e. accepting the nomination).

The Moon in early Pisces is applying to an easy aspect with a dignified Mars in Scorpio, but this isn’t necessarily helpful to Romney since it is applying to the planet that rules the 7th and the 12th, which represents opponents and enemies of Romney.

Now let’s look at the DNC charts that occurred during the 10 o’clock hour a week later.

The DNC – Venus in Late Cancer, Separating From a Square Saturn

Michelle Obama

Michelle Obama's speech beginsThe first night of the DNC was on Tuesday, September 4, 2012.  Julián Castro’s keynote speech began at 10:10 p.m. EDT, with the ascendant at 9 Taurus, and then Michelle Obama’s speech began at 10:40 p.m, with 18 Taurus rising.

At this point, in the week following the RNC, Venus had moved further along in the zodiac, and now it was at 28 Cancer, with Saturn still at 26 Libra.

So, in these two keynote speeches on the first night of the convention Venus was still the ruler of the ascendant, and it was still squaring Saturn, but now it was separating from the exact square.  Thus Venus was starting to move away from the exact configuration with Saturn during the DNC speeches, whereas it had been moving towards the exact aspect with Saturn during the RNC speeches.

Bill Clinton's DNC speech beginsBill Clinton

On the second night of the DNC, which took place on September 5, the 10 o’clock hour featured speeches from Sandra Fluke (10:00 p.m), Elizabeth Warren (10:15), and Bill Clinton (10:34).

Taurus was rising when all of these speeches began, and Venus was at the very end of the sign, at 29 degrees of Cancer.

The Moon was still in Taurus, although now void according to the modern definition.


Barack Obama – Venus in Leo

Obama accepts the nomination at the beginning of his speechOn September 6, the final night of the convention, President Obama began his speech at 10:25 p.m. EDT in Charlotte, and then accepted the nomination at 10:26:30.

17 Taurus was rising, so Venus was again the ruler of the ascendant.  However, earlier in the day Venus had moved into Leo, where it was no longer squaring Saturn by sign.

This is highly significant because this means that Obama is the only person who gave a major speech at one of the conventions, or accepted a nomination, when Taurus was rising and Venus was in Leo  rather than Cancer.

Venus in Leo applies to a square with Mars at 9 Scorpio, although Mars is considerably less malefic than Saturn because it is a night chart, and Venus is also in the superior position.

The Moon is at 29 Taurus, and it applies to a tight out-of-sign sextile with Venus, the ruler of the ascendant and its domicile lord.

Conclusions About the Nomination Charts

Ultimately when you compare the two horoscopes for when Romney and Obama accepted their party’s nominations, there is one that stands out as being distinctly more auspicious than the other.

Romney begins speech, accepts nominationObama accepts the nomination at the beginning of his speech

  • Both charts have Taurus rising with Venus ruling the ascendant, but in Romney’s chart Venus is applying to a square with Saturn, whereas in Obama’s chart Venus is no longer afflicted by Saturn.  In fact, even though Venus looks like it is applying to square Mars in Obama’s chart, it actually applies to a sextile with Jupiter before it ever catches up with Mars.  So, the next application of the ruler of the ascendant in Obama’s chart is a sextile to Jupiter.
  • In Romney’s chart the Moon applies to a trine with Mars in the 7th, which is his opponent’s significator. In Obama’s chart the Moon applies to a sextile with Venus, which is his own significator.
  • In Romney’s chart Mercury is in Leo and applies to an out-of-sign opposition with Neptune, while in Obama’s chart Mercury is exalted in Virgo and applies to a square with Jupiter.
  • In Romney’s chart the Lot of Fortune lies in the 7th house of his opponent, while in Obama’s chart Fortune is in Virgo in the 5th house and ruled by Mercury.
  • While it is true that in Obama’s chart the Moon is void of course according to the modern definition, this is mitigated by the fact that it is in the sign of its exaltation, as well as the fact that it closely applies to an out-of-sign sextile with its domicile lord, Venus.

In short, the astrological charts set for when each candidate accepted their party’s nomination seem to contain a number of positive indications for Obama, and a number of negative indications for Romney.

This seems to confirm other indications we looked at earlier this year in each candidate’s birth chart, and thus it reenforces our view that Barack Obama will be reelected in November.

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  • Bruce Scofield says:

    Nice job taking all this apart Chris. My experience has been that, while all of the data is worth looking at, the acceptance of nomination by the candidate is the true “point of no return” and these charts do tend to work well. Just the Saturn square MC and Venus in Romney’s acceptance chart alone raises a flag – and Saturn will square his natal MC by transit within a month of the election. Downsizing might be his next trend.

  • Karen says:

    Chris, it appears that Romney’s Mars is in the 6th not the 7th, if the ASC. is 5 degrees 47 Taurus and Mars is 4 degrees 47 Scorpio.
    Why haven’t you weighed in on Obama’s first house, regarding M45, Pleiades/Weeping Sisters/Moon conjunct the South Node. Doesn’t that merit discussion? By all accounts, it is very unfortunate. This is the first house, after all is said.

  • Chris Brennan says:

    We use whole sign houses Karen, and we have done so in every article here since we started the blog in early 2009.

    The South Node is in the same degree of the zodiac in both charts, so I’m not sure why you would single out just the south node being conjunct something in one chart.

  • Karen says:

    Sorry, Chris I’m not familiar with your application to whole signs. Also, I have just recently participated, and I’m a newcomer to your site.
    The South Node is Conjunct the Moon in Obama’s chart and, not in Romney’s. That is the difference.In addition, Obama’s Moon falls on a BEHENIAN star.
    I believe you can see this, and maybe reluctantly sidestepping an important point, worthy of more consideration. President Obama’s nomination chart reflects an unfortunate Moon that is Square to Neptune. I know that you acknowledged Void of Course, but more importantly, the Moon is under assault by the fixed stars, conjunct the South Node and Square Neptune. I know that this luminary is troubled and worrisome.

  • Tracy says:

    When I see the nomination chart of Obama with a Moon Square Neptune, all I think of is the voter ID laws–just dreadful.

  • nicole says:

    thanks for this!

  • D. says:

    Romney chart has Moon exalted ruler of Ascendant trine Mars exalted ruler of MC which is good.

    Obama chart has MC conjunct natal Jupiter trine transit Moon which is good too.

    Mercury will transit 18Sco on Libra Ingress Mars around the second debate, will station 4Sag for election, then will return 18Sco for the Lunar Eclipse of 28 november 2012. I think there will be violence in United States and abroad that will have a big impact on the elections.

  • Ed Perrone says:

    Way back in the days of the GEnie Astrology RoundTable, we did an extensive study of the 1992 election as it unfolded. Our hypothesis was to look at the Moon’s final aspect in the acceptance chart, since in horary/electional terms, the Moon’s last aspect shows the final outcome.

    From this perspective, Romney’s acceptance chart has the Moon’s last aspect as a trine to Venus (positive outcome), while Obama’s acceptance has Moon VOC (“nothing will come of the matter”). So this view would give the election to Romney.

    This technique worked well in 1992 and in 2004. I need to go back through my records to see if I have data on other elections. One of these days, I am going to write all this up, as our study on the ’92 election was very extensive (using announcement charts to determine nomination winners, then acceptance charts to determine the ultimate winner). ’92 was also complicated by the candidacy of Ross Perot…

    Anyways, using the simplistic, Occam’s Razor view, I call Romney. I believe I am the only astrologer on the planet drawing that conclusion…. 🙂

    — Ed

  • Chris Brennan says:

    I would love to see your study on the 1992 election sometime Ed. It would be interesting to compare some of those nomination charts to the current ones.

    I’ve come across a few astrologers who have predicted that Romney will win at this point, so you are not the only one. Just the other day Madam Lichtenstein called it for Romney, and she also based her prediction primarily on the void of course Moon at the time that Obama accepted the nomination:

  • nicole says:

    Ed, plenty of astrologers are “pro-Romney” or at least have found reasons to say he will likely win. I’m not an astrologer myself, so I find it all very interesting. I wonder how much personal politics plays into the divination of charts by some…

    Did your team also study the 2008 election and Obama’s relationship to void moons (and Mercury retrogrades)?

  • Tracy says:

    I had a funny conversation with my mother who is not an astrologer but pretty darn savvy to astrology. when I mentioned Mercury would be turning retro on the election day like 2000 she said, “maybe it will be like 2000, but this time Romney gets the popular vote and Obama gets the electoral college.”

    I laughed and thought—how perfect.

  • Ed Perrone says:

    Chris, I will let you know when I get something written up on our study. It was quite fascinating, and worked out real well. Since that time, I’ve not been into astrology full-time anymore, but I still “keep my hand in” occasionally with things like this.

    I also think that if astrology is ever going to be demonstrated to skeptics, it is going to have to be with some sort of event-oriented approach like this where there is no question of “interpretation.” You have the rules, they lead to an objective “yes” or “no” answer, and that answer is something like an election which is not subject to “interpretation.”

    Anyways, I have put this off long enough (20 years!), I will have to get down to collating and writing…

    Nicole, I think personal politics plays far too much into many astrologers’ pronouncements. I think a lot of them don’t realize what they’re doing, they’re just so caught up in their own points of view that they read it into the charts. Just like reading your own chart for anything, really… wishful thinking (or denial) can play a large role that you don’t realize while you’re doing it. I’ve been there, I suspect we all have. Another reason why I like techniques that are very objective for this sort of thing.

    — Ed

  • No Tribe says:

    “While it is true that in Obama’s chart the Moon is void of course according to the modern definition, this is mitigated by the fact that it is in the sign of its exaltation, as well as the fact that it closely applies to an out-of-sign sextile with its domicile lord, Venus.”

    Which probably means that Obama will, like Gore in 2000, win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote, or a electoral vote tie that winds up electing Romney.